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		<title>By: Wilma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hilary, I knew I could count on you to enjoy that Cornish cream. Hilary you could NOT do what you do without nurturing yourself, who else would nurture you and how awful would you feel towards your Ma. You would not want to be with her feeling like a sucked dry prune with resentment all over your face. What would be the win in that , and how would you lose out on the last times with your mother. For both your sakes I am so pleased you do look after yourself as best you can. 
I am also pleased you are seeing some sun, and a big hug for you, Wilma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hilary, I knew I could count on you to enjoy that Cornish cream. Hilary you could NOT do what you do without nurturing yourself, who else would nurture you and how awful would you feel towards your Ma. You would not want to be with her feeling like a sucked dry prune with resentment all over your face. What would be the win in that , and how would you lose out on the last times with your mother. For both your sakes I am so pleased you do look after yourself as best you can.<br />
I am also pleased you are seeing some sun, and a big hug for you, Wilma</p>
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		<title>By: Wilma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Catrien, I am with Hilary and too so love these words;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Self-love is so essential. How can we possibly aspire to love another if we do not love ourselves? How can a heart filled with love be expressed from a heart full of hatred? How can a spirit of generosity shine from a stingy grudging of life?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
An empty tank cannot give something, if we are empty what is there indeed to give. 
If only we could get that into our heads, us martyrs then we would do our loved ones a lot of good. How ironic isn&#039;t it that so many of us have such a misconception. 
Thanks Catrien every encouragement to stop this doormatism helps. love Wilma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Catrien, I am with Hilary and too so love these words;</p>
<blockquote><p>Self-love is so essential. How can we possibly aspire to love another if we do not love ourselves? How can a heart filled with love be expressed from a heart full of hatred? How can a spirit of generosity shine from a stingy grudging of life?</p></blockquote>
<p>An empty tank cannot give something, if we are empty what is there indeed to give.<br />
If only we could get that into our heads, us martyrs then we would do our loved ones a lot of good. How ironic isn&#8217;t it that so many of us have such a misconception.<br />
Thanks Catrien every encouragement to stop this doormatism helps. love Wilma</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi WIlma .. just read Catrien&#039;s comment &amp; it immediately resonated.  I&#039;ve a lot of icing on the top of the cake - or Cornish cream on a jammy scone to catch up on .. so true and such a necessary way of life.  Thank goodness I don&#039;t feel like that - I need to nurture myself .. that&#039;s for sure, but at least I keep plodding on &amp; look after myself as best I can.

Love that thought - a heart filled with love can give a spirit of generosity to others as well as just as importantly to oneself.  

Sunny day and lots to do .. bye and hugs - Hilary
.-= Hilary&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://positiveletters.blogspot.com/2010/04/pevensey-castle-normans-bay-smuggling.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pevensey Castle, Normans Bay, smuggling and family remembrances ... Part 1&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi WIlma .. just read Catrien&#8217;s comment &amp; it immediately resonated.  I&#8217;ve a lot of icing on the top of the cake &#8211; or Cornish cream on a jammy scone to catch up on .. so true and such a necessary way of life.  Thank goodness I don&#8217;t feel like that &#8211; I need to nurture myself .. that&#8217;s for sure, but at least I keep plodding on &amp; look after myself as best I can.</p>
<p>Love that thought &#8211; a heart filled with love can give a spirit of generosity to others as well as just as importantly to oneself.  </p>
<p>Sunny day and lots to do .. bye and hugs &#8211; Hilary<br />
<span class="cluv"> Hilary&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://positiveletters.blogspot.com/2010/04/pevensey-castle-normans-bay-smuggling.html" rel="nofollow">Pevensey Castle, Normans Bay, smuggling and family remembrances &#8230; Part 1</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.wilmasblog.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Catrien Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catrien Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilma, going back to read this, one sentence jumped out at me as a key insight:
&quot;She was generous to others because she was generous to herself.&quot;

Your words brought back so many memories of some personal experiences here in Japan. Wilma, thank you so much for your wisdom.

Why is it that people who are not good to themselves, who see themselves as cheated or let down, who complain about their lack of love and connection, who pinch the details of their daily lives - do exactly the same to others?

But of course - they cannot do otherwise. They can only be as good to others as they are to themselves.

Self-love is so essential. How can we possibly aspire to love another if we do not love ourselves? How can a heart filled with love be expressed from a heart full of hatred? How can a spirit of generosity shine from a stingy grudging of life?

Thank you, Wilma, from the mountains of Japan - Catrien Ross.
.-= Catrien Ross&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.energydoorways.com/blog/catrien-ross-on-getting-unstuck-by-gently-letting-go/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Catrien Ross on Getting Unstuck By Gently Letting Go&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilma, going back to read this, one sentence jumped out at me as a key insight:<br />
&#8220;She was generous to others because she was generous to herself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your words brought back so many memories of some personal experiences here in Japan. Wilma, thank you so much for your wisdom.</p>
<p>Why is it that people who are not good to themselves, who see themselves as cheated or let down, who complain about their lack of love and connection, who pinch the details of their daily lives &#8211; do exactly the same to others?</p>
<p>But of course &#8211; they cannot do otherwise. They can only be as good to others as they are to themselves.</p>
<p>Self-love is so essential. How can we possibly aspire to love another if we do not love ourselves? How can a heart filled with love be expressed from a heart full of hatred? How can a spirit of generosity shine from a stingy grudging of life?</p>
<p>Thank you, Wilma, from the mountains of Japan &#8211; Catrien Ross.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Catrien Ross&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.energydoorways.com/blog/catrien-ross-on-getting-unstuck-by-gently-letting-go/" rel="nofollow">Catrien Ross on Getting Unstuck By Gently Letting Go</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.wilmasblog.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Wilma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tess. 
You know I love you don&#039;t you. I have to be strong NOT to be jealous of all the other bloggers you are meeting up with. 
But one day . . . 

The course of miracles is such a blast and it sure is turning my mind upside down all the time. Of course there is no sacrifice, what for, for whom??????? 
I so had that line as well . . .&#039;After all I do for you! Oh my God, what a killer, were we forced with a gun to our head???????
Oh, once you see the lunacy of it all you cannot believe it,can you? However despite all that, sliding in and out of martyrdom continued for a while yet.

Poor Jesus never wanted to be a martyr and you are right, Catholicism used martyrdom for its own benefit, very manipulative. 

Your mom and 10 kids AND a farm, wow yes talk about choice, WHAT choice one will think. But I agree Tess, we have a choice about how we think about things and that makes all the difference.

Yes, my parents were awesome people and I have them to thank about the good solid base I am now returning to after I have made all my own mistakes :). 
xox Wilma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tess.<br />
You know I love you don&#8217;t you. I have to be strong NOT to be jealous of all the other bloggers you are meeting up with.<br />
But one day . . . </p>
<p>The course of miracles is such a blast and it sure is turning my mind upside down all the time. Of course there is no sacrifice, what for, for whom???????<br />
I so had that line as well . . .&#8217;After all I do for you! Oh my God, what a killer, were we forced with a gun to our head???????<br />
Oh, once you see the lunacy of it all you cannot believe it,can you? However despite all that, sliding in and out of martyrdom continued for a while yet.</p>
<p>Poor Jesus never wanted to be a martyr and you are right, Catholicism used martyrdom for its own benefit, very manipulative. </p>
<p>Your mom and 10 kids AND a farm, wow yes talk about choice, WHAT choice one will think. But I agree Tess, we have a choice about how we think about things and that makes all the difference.</p>
<p>Yes, my parents were awesome people and I have them to thank about the good solid base I am now returning to after I have made all my own mistakes <img src='http://www.wilmasblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br />
xox Wilma</p>
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