Comments on: My Experiments with ‘Freedom’ by John Channings. http://www.wilmasblog.com/leverage/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/ Being a strong basecamp Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:43:42 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: John Channings http://www.wilmasblog.com/leverage/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2673 John Channings Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:42:04 +0000 http://www.wilmasblog.com/trek-education/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2673 D. Lisa, I so agree, In the moment we remember that we 'choose' what we are doing, we access our freedom. All the time we are in the space of 'I have to'; like "I have to go to work", we lose our freedom. Even when I was a builders laborer sweeping the floor, many years ago, I was choosing it and so was both free and having fun. Beth, thank you for bringing our attention to the importance of 'responsibility', when talking about freedom. Contrary to the misconception that freedom means being irresponsible; freedom is all about responsibility. To be free, is to be responsible for the consequences of our free choices. There is no freedom with irresponsibility. Again in my youth, I freely capsized my yacht in front of an on coming nuclear powered submarine as a free act of protest. There was nothing irresponsible about that, as I knew and was completely responsible for the consequences of my act. To live each moment freely, we choose what we do (even when it doesn't feel good) and be responsible for the consequences. John D. Lisa, I so agree, In the moment we remember that we ‘choose’ what we are doing, we access our freedom. All the time we are in the space of ‘I have to’; like “I have to go to work”, we lose our freedom. Even when I was a builders laborer sweeping the floor, many years ago, I was choosing it and so was both free and having fun.

Beth, thank you for bringing our attention to the importance of ‘responsibility’, when talking about freedom.
Contrary to the misconception that freedom means being irresponsible; freedom is all about responsibility. To be free, is to be responsible for the consequences of our free choices. There is no freedom with irresponsibility.
Again in my youth, I freely capsized my yacht in front of an on coming nuclear powered submarine as a free act of protest. There was nothing irresponsible about that, as I knew and was completely responsible for the consequences of my act.
To live each moment freely, we choose what we do (even when it doesn’t feel good) and be responsible for the consequences.
John

]]> By: Wilma http://www.wilmasblog.com/leverage/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2590 Wilma Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:56:47 +0000 http://www.wilmasblog.com/trek-education/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2590 @Beth. Choosing freedom doesn't have to mean that outwardly things change and that this kind of freedom seekers become irrepsonsible self centered egotrippers. That is an old myth. People who chose this type of freedom we are talking about, will still do all their chores, jobs and responsible actions. But they no longer do it grumpily with lots of complaints, because they feel they have to or are under severe obligation. They become love while they do their chores because they know they have a choice. Thanks for your comment Beth as this is what a lot of people will say and it shows that we actualy don't fully understand how it means to live freely from our heart. @Beth. Choosing freedom doesn’t have to mean that outwardly things change and that this kind of freedom seekers become irrepsonsible self centered egotrippers. That is an old myth. People who chose this type of freedom we are talking about, will still do all their chores, jobs and responsible actions. But they no longer do it grumpily with lots of complaints, because they feel they have to or are under severe obligation. They become love while they do their chores because they know they have a choice.
Thanks for your comment Beth as this is what a lot of people will say and it shows that we actualy don’t fully understand how it means to live freely from our heart.

]]> By: Wilma http://www.wilmasblog.com/leverage/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2589 Wilma Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:50:22 +0000 http://www.wilmasblog.com/trek-education/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2589 @D.Lisa. What you say make so much sense, however it is still clear that most of us are actually still argueing that we didn't chose whatever we are doing. Most people still argue that they have to be slave to the big mortgage for example, and thatliving in a smaller,cheaper house just can't be done. However it is lovely to know people like you and David and John who are realizing there is another way AND are daring to say it. There is hope for us yet, keep speaking up please. @D.Lisa. What you say make so much sense, however it is still clear that most of us are actually still argueing that we didn’t chose whatever we are doing. Most people still argue that they have to be slave to the big mortgage for example, and thatliving in a smaller,cheaper house just can’t be done. However it is lovely to know people like you and David and John who are realizing there is another way AND are daring to say it. There is hope for us yet, keep speaking up please.

]]> By: Beth Webster http://www.wilmasblog.com/leverage/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2576 Beth Webster Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:01:18 +0000 http://www.wilmasblog.com/trek-education/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2576 Guess I'm concerned to keep a healthy balance between freedom and responsibility..as one does.. bestest, Beth. Guess I’m concerned to keep a healthy balance between freedom and responsibility..as one does..
bestest,
Beth.

]]> By: D.Lisa http://www.wilmasblog.com/leverage/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2570 D.Lisa Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:35:41 +0000 http://www.wilmasblog.com/trek-education/2008/02/13/my-experiments-with-freedom-by-john-channings/#comment-2570 Freedom sound like: I get to; I choose to; I want to; I love to...........when I remember to notice I am in a "have to" and "don't want to" zone, I can change my mind by simply saying: "I choose this". It's hard to argue that you didn't choose whatever you're doing. Thanks John. Freedom sound like: I get to; I choose to; I want to; I love to………..when I remember to notice I am in a “have to” and “don’t want to” zone, I can change my mind by simply saying: “I choose this”. It’s hard to argue that you didn’t choose whatever you’re doing. Thanks John.

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